Showing posts with label deaths. Show all posts
Showing posts with label deaths. Show all posts

Sunday, June 1, 2025

The dubious lesson of the Carpathia

So right now I'm at LessOnline, the LessWrong conference centered on writing about rationality-related topics, and I encountered a very interesting proposition. There was a session about writing speeches for the LessWrong/rationalist Winter Solstice, a solemn ceremony with musical performances and speeches with a rational, hopeful-but-realistic theme. Towards the end, the speaker gave an example of a Tumblr post that he turned into a speech.

To summarize, it's about the sinking of the Titanic[1], and the captain of the Carpathia, who got the distress call and immediately went heads-down, focusing on the mission to get to the disaster as soon as possible, repurposing his entire ship and its resources for rescue, eventually saving some 700 lives. By pushing limits, he got there faster than should really have been possible, and thus rescuing far more than could have been expected.

A lot about this story rubbed me the wrong way, such that I don't endorse it for its intended purpose, which is to be an inspiring speech given at rationalist events in support of the rationalist worldmodel.

Look at this critical part of the exposition (italics original): 

He woke up all the engineers, all the stokers and firemen, diverted all that steam back into the engines, and asked his ship to go as fast as she possibly could. And when she’d done that, he asked her to go faster.

I need you to understand that you simply can’t push a ship very far past its top speed. ... Pushing a ship past its rated speed is not only reckless–it’s difficult to maneuver–but it puts an incredible amount of strain on the engines. ... They can’t do it. It can’t be done.

Carpathia’s absolute do-or-die, the-engines-can’t-take-this-forever top speed was fourteen knots. Dodging icebergs, in the dark and the cold, surrounded by mist, she sustained a speed of almost seventeen and a half.

...

They damn near broke the laws of physics, galloping north headlong into the dark...

Okay, something isn't adding up here. The post clearly emphasizes that ships are not supposed to be pushed past their top speed, and owns up to the fact that it really is reckless, and even acknowledges that the maintaining that speed might as well count as "physical law, violated". The reads as the fantasy of the manager who overcomes physical limits by sheer force of leadership ... which is not how physical systems, or tradeoffs thereon, actually work.

Also -- "dodging icebergs"? That's what got the Titanic into this mess in he first place. Maybe not the right image to use here.

All of that adds up to the fact that any success here really doesn't generalize. Knowing what they knew at the time, it was actually not the rational thing to do. Yes, it looks like a bold, selfless act now, because we know how it turned out: he happened not to sink his ship in the process. But he couldn't know that would be true at the time; for all he knew, this was condemning the ship and its crew to be casualties in addition to that of the Titanic (up to the rescue efforts of a later, more cautious ship). Claiming vindication reeks of hindsight bias. (There's a reason they caution rescuers against "being a hero" -- they may very well end up being yet one more person that needs rescue.)

One of the hurdles in making your thought more rational is accepting that something can be a bad idea despite the fact that it worked. In Blackjack, if you stand on 4, and the dealer busts, you win ... but it's still stupid. The idea that you should push a critical system well past its limits to accomplish a stretch goal is ... not good. Any success would, at most, be an edge case, not a canonical template you should keep repeating.

So ... if I were to make this a speech, it would have to be with some kind of twist like "lol gotcha! You just got seduced by a narrative, and hindsight bias. 'Push past the limits' makes for a rousing story, but in practice, it's how disasters happen." Which is the kind of chain-yanking I prefer not to do to begin with.

I'm not digging into the whether the presented facts are actually true, because I'm just evaluating it as a speech and working from assumptions it sets up. If there are other reasons that justify why this may have been less reckless than it really was, they should have been included to support the conclusion. But, as given, it pumps up the idea that, because you were bold, you had to save lives, and it works, that adds up to it being a good decision. It doesn't.

And there's a lesser issue, too. It also mentions repurposing part of the ship's steam to prepare tea and coffee for the survivors as they were loaded on board. Like, what? I'm sorry, but in a survival situation, coffee and tea are luxuries. They need warmth and drinking water ... the rest isn't a priority.

[1] Because I don't feel obligated to follow ridiculous, ossified conventions, I'm going to refer to ships as "it" and not italicize their names. They're proper nouns. Capitalization is good enough.

Wednesday, July 1, 2009

Update on Billy Mays

Turns out he died of heart disease. (HT: Megan McArdle)

In honor of Billy Mays's characteristic style, and because I don't know the appropriate waiting time for stuff like this, I feel like I have to write the following:

***

Genial pitchman appears

"Are you suffering from clogged arteries?"

[footage of attractive middle-aged actor clutching chest and wincing]

"Does your doctor tell you to cut back on the foods you love?"

[footage of stereotypical doctor grimly advising attractive patient, who appears to be saddened]

"Well, now you can plow STRAIGHT THROUGH that build-up with Arta-cleanse! Using its patented formula, you can clear out those harmful deposits that put you at risk for heart disease!"

[computer simulation of large artery with ugly-looking blockage that is being magically washed away with pretty fluid]

"Powered by nature's very best ingredients, Arta-cleanse gives you INSTANT results you can SEE! Just watch!"

[Pitchman goes over to attractive middle-aged woman sitting down, injects syringe into upper inner right right arm]

"Watch as Arta-cleanse works its way through the system to BLOW AWAY all the nasty build-up that drags down your mood and strength!"

[camera zooms in on woman's arm, as discoloration propagates through arm where vein is located]

"In just MINUTES you have a cleaner, meaner, healthier circulation, or your money back!"

[camera cuts away to woman jogging, then to her blood pressure being checked, with a good reading showing up on a conspicuous monitor]

"But wait! Order in the next ten minutes and we'll throw in this free tourniquet that will make the injection even easer! And that's not all. Call within the next FIVE minutes and we'll DOUBLE your order for FREE! All this for just $29.99."

"HERE's how to order!" [points at camera]

***

You BETTER pay me royalties if you make that video! >:-(

Sunday, June 28, 2009

Billy Mays, RIP

The famous pitchman Billy Mays has passed away at his home in Tampa. Famous for promoting OxyClean, Orange Glo, and the Hercules Hook, among other things, he became well known in the "as seen on TV" world.

I won't deny it, I loved that guy. His genial manner, his voice, his hand motions... and I've been using OxyClean to get out stains for a while. Er, well, the generic brand now, but still.

If you need a refresher, here's a characteristic video:



ADDENDUM: Here is a comic I made about Billy Mays and posted on a forum around two years ago. All in jest, of course.



Note the characteristic hand gestures ;-)